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From Which River

Rambling musings on the peopley-ness of people.

By L.C. SchäferPublished 2 years ago 5 min read
A good read!

This isn't a post about Israel or Palestine or even politics.

This is a post about people.

Specifically, about how even people clever enough to go to university can still be stupid in specific ways. They can have access to all the information, and still be willfully ignorant. They can be wilfully ignorant and still advertise their own view as the right one, or even the only moral one.

Disclaimer

I don't post about Israel/Palestine as a general rule, because I know I don't know enough about the subject to have an opinion, much less express it. But people - specifically the psychology of people, collectively - is endlessly fascinating to me, and I'd like to examine this shift in viewpoints.

(I don't know that much about psychology either, but I can mull on it out loud. I recommend not doing that in respect of Israel/Palestine. There is no room to be wrong in that conversation. Which is a shame, but again - that's people for you.)

Person vs People

Will Smith ("J") and Tommy Lee Jones ("K") in Men in Black.

"A person is smart. People are dumb panicky animals."

Is this ever more starkly true than in groups of clever people? University students are a prime example. Individually they have got plenty of brains. But put them together - get some of the Brownian motion of the mob going... The whole is less than the sum of the parts.

This isn't just students. It's people. It's me. It's you. I doubt anyone is immune. What would we be without passion? (I know, I know - rare.)

University-goers are an easy example (target?) This is where the phenomenon is very clear: that (widening?) chasm between book-smarts and wisdom. The cleverer you are, the more obvious it is to others when you stumble intellectually, and the more tempted others are to laugh at you.

Sometimes, people don't form their views based on information. They look around themselves for clues, they let their identity form a sort of mould, and pour the issue into it. I am a progressive socialist/leftwing feminist/liberal/whatever, and people with that label think this.

More: people who don't think this are bad people. People who don't think this must all be Trump-loving/gun-waving/bigoted/basically Hitler.

It happens in reverse as well. I'm self-made, I believe in hard work and pulling yourself up by your bootstraps. Therefore any bleeding heart liberal who doesn't agree must be a lazy free-loading nancy.

Tell me you haven't seen this homogenisation of political groups, and I'll call you a liar.

There seems to be a swathe of young adults in higher education who are especially susceptible to this. Why is that? They're obviously bright, so why are they getting caught out in spite of their intelligence?

Age

Is it just that most of them are under 25, and their brains are still developing? It could be a factor, but I know plenty of mature people who do it, so there has to be more to it.

Disillusionment

Is it a spicy thirst for revolution? Show me a twenty-something uni student who isn't invested in whatever the latest social justice thing is, and I'll show you a unicorn. This can be a powerhouse for change. That can be positive... or not.

Legacy

Is it a selfish, deep-rooted wish (that we all share at some level) to leave a mark on the world? Our mark. Dressed up, maybe, as a desire to make it a better place.

Rebellion

We saw this with Brexit; old vs young. An elder could say, "the sky is up" and there will be some angry or idealistic greenhorn who contradicts them, almost out of habit. If they perceive you as being old fashioned, right wing, <insert descriptor>, then it follows, logically, that anything you say must be ignorant, racist, out-dated. The oppositional reflex also works in older people: a young person can say "rain makes stuff wet", and there will be a grumpy codger somewhere who wants to contradict or qualify it like a jerk of his arthritic knee. Teenagers think they know everything, they don't know jack-shit about the real world, just you wait. Right?

The Nature of Education

Is this naivete more pronounced in student populations, and if so, is that because they're going to lectures day after day, and reinforcing, over and over, that being told something, or reading something, is the same as learning about it? Being stuck in that mindset of believing what they're told, accepting things at face value. Is this going to be shed with maturity, and practise at researching, cross-referencing, seeking nuance?

What makes clever people stupid? Is it youth? Naivete? Idealism? A side effect of traditional education? Tribalism? All of the above?

A change of heart

We can laugh at their silliness in naively accepting an idea and getting carried away with a slogan (and they're likely to laugh at MAGA-hat-wearing people for doing the same thing, so it's probably fair) but can we take a sec to appreciate: these people demonstrate an ability and willingness to change their mind in response to facts. I admire that a lot. It takes a lot of courage, strength, intelligence, and humility.

Now, let's be clear - it'd be good to gather all the facts before forming a solid opinion on something. Whether you do or not, being able to say, "OK, I was wrong" and changing your viewpoint accordingly is a stamp of tremendous character in my book. (And I do actually have a book, now, so there is that.)

There have been several studies that show people don't care about facts that much. Facts don't change opinions.

Maybe if someone has taken a position based on information, you show them it was wrong and show them new information... then maybe they will more likely to change their mind. But if they formed their opinion based on how they felt... if it was forged in the storm of fiery righteousness... What are facts to that?

This little survey seems to show people do change their mind when exposed to new information. Is that specific to this educated demographic who are naturally inclined to value facts?

Worth noting: how did these conversations happen? One on one, or in groups? 1:1 is a wildly different dynamic to a group setting, and social media is different again.

In my experience, hardly anybody changes their mind quickly when presented with new information. It's a slow process, like osmosis. Reading between the lines, they didn't do a volte-face, they just became less supportive of an idea. That tracks for me.

Information is valuable, but it isn't how most of us normally decide things. We choose what feels right and safe, we hold close the opinion that feels kind or righteous or progressive... and then use facts that fit to justify our stance.

In the end, it doesn't matter if you're left or right, student or pensioner... we're all just people.

Most of the great triumphs and tragedies of history are caused not by people being fundamentally good or fundamentally evil, but by people being fundamentally people.

-Sir Terry Pratchett

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  • Randy Wayne Jellison-Knock2 years ago

    When people ask me why someone else thinks or does something that's empirically "stupid" & makes no sense, I have taken for decades now to answering, "Because they're people, just like you & me." The danger I find today is that there is so much unverified information (allegations & accusations) out there it's impossible to fact check everything. All of us accept some things on authority because there simply isn't enough time for us to know & verify everything. But that also means that people can hurl any kind of accusation (or inference) about someone they oppose & the seed of doubt will be permanently sown, unable to be tamped down or stamped out no matter how ridiculous or demonstrably false it is. Republican leadership has recognized this for decades, knowing that all they have to do is keep sowing those seeds of doubt & enough swing voters will believe them to win elections. They were explicit (caught on open mike) that this was their strategy from the moment Hillary began working on national health care. It didn't matter that they said it publicly, they just kept on investigating her, each time complaining they couldn't believe she wasn't being charged when it was their own investigation which had exonerated her. Because of it, we ended up with Trump who didn't even bother to disguise his crimes. He did it right out in the open & then simply said he didn't. Play the tapes? He just simply claims they're not true. And all the folks who refuse to accept the forensic analysis that recordings they want to believe have been doctored & are false find it quite easy to believe that anything they see they don't like has been doctored no matter how many experts in the field testify they haven't. Why? Because Donald says so. And so people who would never consider doing anything to hurt another eagerly think the worst of those he tells them to & act accordingly. It drives me crazy, no less so when I find that I myself have fallen into the trap. (The Onion's article on presidential i.q. when it got picked up by the A.P. as actual news rather than satire is one of my favorite examples. Yep, I was more than willing to believe that George W's i.q. was in the high 80s to low 90s, lol at myself & my own gullibility.)

  • Omggg, Brownian motion!!! It's been ages since I heard that term! I'm the kinda person that doesn't deal well with changes. So it's the same when I'm presented with new information which contradicts my opinion. But yes, like osmosis, lol, I need something to process things and yes, I would always admit it when I'm wrong.

  • Wow. I feel like a crayon-toting primary schooler just reading your writing. You have such a breathtaking way of phrasing ideas and such an engaging style that keeps me hooked throughout the entire story. This article addressed its points bluntly, but with respect, and you made me really think, which I love. I love the imagery you painted. "there will be a grumpy codger somewhere who wants to contradict or qualify it like a jerk of his arthritic knee." What makes clever people stupid? Wow. This question is incredibly poignant, and blends a straightforward question with a modicum of humor. I'm honestly no good at analyzing or reviewing articles, because I can never voice the full force of impact. This one packs a punch in the best way. Thank you so much for sharing.

  • Hannah Moore2 years ago

    I think you leave out here the polarising impact of media, especially social media, and the echo chambers we create for ourselves which normalise languaging arguments in ways which may seem extremist to anyone outside of the debate. And normalisation is the key, I believe. We are social animals and one of the greatest risks we face is social exclusion. The prevalence of social anxieties, shame issues, and behavioural profiles like those seen in many personality disorders are testament to that. We need to stay close. Even those of us who think we rebel against conformity usually are simply conforming to another group norm. We depend on the tribe, and opinions are transactional. I'm like you, you see?

  • Mariann Carroll2 years ago

    Life is really simple but we just make it complex because of greed and power. If everyone just love one another in a compassionate way this world would be a better place. ❤️We are all have red blood running through our veins. Nice subject to write about ❤️

  • Yeah, the tendency to go all in on one basket of opinions or the other seems to be getting worse. I think its the 15-second violent videos that radicalize people TBH, they see people suffering, want it to stop, and then they choose sides in a supposedly good vs evil war. But anyone can spend 5 minutes reading about the history of Israel & Palestine on Wikipedia and see its really complicated and there's no clear answer.

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